RED STATES.>>AND MAKE A HUGE ZBLIRCHS AND>>AND MAKE A HUGE ZBLIRCHS AND THEY’RE THEY’RE DIFFERENCE. DIFFERENCE.>>AND THEY’RE NOT MOVING.>>AND THEY’RE NOT MOVING.>>>MAYOR PETE BUTTIGIEG IS>>>MAYOR PETE BUTTIGIEG IS UNVEILING HIS HEALTHCARE PLAN UNVEILING HIS HEALTHCARE PLAN THIS MORNING. THIS MORNING. JOINING US NOW WITH THE DETAILS JOINING US NOW WITH THE DETAILS IS NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER IS NATIONAL POLITICAL REPORTER FOR NBC NEWS JOSH. FOR NBC NEWS JOSH. JOSH, WHAT’D YOU GOT. JOSH, WHAT’D YOU GOT.>>SO, MIKA, WHAT PETE BUTTIGIEG>>SO, MIKA, WHAT PETE BUTTIGIEG IS PROPOSING FOR HIS HEALTHCARE IS PROPOSING FOR HIS HEALTHCARE PLAN IS A MIDWAY POINT BETWEEN PLAN IS A MIDWAY POINT BETWEEN THE STATUS QUO, OBAMACARE, AND A THE STATUS QUO, OBAMACARE, AND A FULL-ON GOVERNMENT-RUN FULL-ON GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTHCARE. HEALTHCARE. AND HE THINKS THAT A BIG PART OF AND HE THINKS THAT A BIG PART OF THIS IS ABOUT TRYING TO REMIND THIS IS ABOUT TRYING TO REMIND VOTERS THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A VOTERS THAT THIS IS NOT JUST A THREE-WAY CONTEST OF IDEAS THREE-WAY CONTEST OF IDEAS BETWEEN BERNIE SANDERS, BETWEEN BERNIE SANDERS, ELIZABETH WARREN, AND JOE BIDEN. ELIZABETH WARREN, AND JOE BIDEN. THAT HE HAS SOME IDEAS TOO. THAT HE HAS SOME IDEAS TOO. HIS THEORY IS THAT BY HIS THEORY IS THAT BY INTRODUCING A MEDICARE PUBLIC INTRODUCING A MEDICARE PUBLIC OPTION FOR FOLKS WITHOUT OPTION FOR FOLKS WITHOUT IMPOSING IT ACROSS THE BOARD IMPOSING IT ACROSS THE BOARD THAT IT WILL EVENTUALLY OVER THAT IT WILL EVENTUALLY OVER TIME BECOME SO POPULAR THAT TIME BECOME SO POPULAR THAT THROUGH NATURAL COMPETITION IT THROUGH NATURAL COMPETITION IT WILL DRIVE SOME OF THESE WILL DRIVE SOME OF THESE INSURANCE COMPANIES OUT OF INSURANCE COMPANIES OUT OF BUSINESS. BUSINESS. AND WHEN I SPOKE TO PETE AND WHEN I SPOKE TO PETE BUTTIGIEG ABOUT HIS PLAN LAST BUTTIGIEG ABOUT HIS PLAN LAST NIGHT, HE WAS PRETTY CRITICAL OF NIGHT, HE WAS PRETTY CRITICAL OF SOME OF THOSE FRONT RUNNERS, SOME OF THOSE FRONT RUNNERS, PARTICULARLY ELIZABETH WARREN. PARTICULARLY ELIZABETH WARREN.>>IN WHAT WAY?>>IN WHAT WAY?>>HE SUGGESTED THEIR PLAN TO>>HE SUGGESTED THEIR PLAN TO GET RID OF THE PRIVATE INSURANCE GET RID OF THE PRIVATE INSURANCE AND PUT EVERYONE ON MEDICARE WAS AND PUT EVERYONE ON MEDICARE WAS COMMANDING AMERICANS TO ABANDON COMMANDING AMERICANS TO ABANDON THE COURAGE THEY HAD AND HE THE COURAGE THEY HAD AND HE ACTUALLY TOLD US THAT HE THINKS ACTUALLY TOLD US THAT HE THINKS THAT’S INCONSISTENT WITH THAT’S INCONSISTENT WITH AMERICA’S COMMITMENT TO FREEDOM. AMERICA’S COMMITMENT TO FREEDOM. SO YOU SEE HIM TRYING TO SHARPEN SO YOU SEE HIM TRYING TO SHARPEN THE KNIVES A LITTLE BIT AS HE THE KNIVES A LITTLE BIT AS HE TRIES TO BREAK INTO THAT TOP TRIES TO BREAK INTO THAT TOP TIER. TIER.>>WHAT DO YOU THINK?>>WHAT DO YOU THINK?>>WELL, MY QUESTION TO JOSH IS>>WELL, MY QUESTION TO JOSH IS WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE HERE, I WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE HERE, I WAS READING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WAS READING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. IT. WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIS PLAN AND HARRIS’S — SENATOR HIS PLAN AND HARRIS’S — SENATOR HARRIS’S PLAN? HARRIS’S PLAN? IT SEEMS VERY SIMILAR. IT SEEMS VERY SIMILAR. WHO MAKES THIS PLAN STAND OUT? WHO MAKES THIS PLAN STAND OUT?>>YEAH.>>YEAH. A LOT OF THE CANDIDATES HERE ARE A LOT OF THE CANDIDATES HERE ARE REALLY GRASPING FOR WAYS TO REALLY GRASPING FOR WAYS TO DISTINGUISH THEIR PLANS THAT DISTINGUISH THEIR PLANS THAT ESSENTIALLY LOOK ALL OF THE ESSENTIALLY LOOK ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING WE NEED TO DEMOCRATS ARE SAYING WE NEED TO MAKE OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM MORE MAKE OUR HEALTHCARE SYSTEM MORE PROGRESSIVE AND WE NEED TO HAVE PROGRESSIVE AND WE NEED TO HAVE A GOVERNMENT OPTION. A GOVERNMENT OPTION. THERE ARE SOME FINE DETAILS THAT THERE ARE SOME FINE DETAILS THAT DIFFERENTIATE HIS PLAN FROM DIFFERENTIATE HIS PLAN FROM KAMALA HARRIS’S AS FAR AS HOW KAMALA HARRIS’S AS FAR AS HOW SUBSIDIES ARE PROVIDED, HOW SUBSIDIES ARE PROVIDED, HOW PEOPLE ARE ENROLLED, WHETHER PEOPLE ARE ENROLLED, WHETHER IT’S AUTOMATIC ENROLLMENT IN IT’S AUTOMATIC ENROLLMENT IN THIS NEW PLAN OR SOMETHING YOU THIS NEW PLAN OR SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO ON THE INTO. HAVE TO ON THE INTO. BUT I THINK WHAT YOU’RE GETTING BUT I THINK WHAT YOU’RE GETTING AT ACCURATELY IS ON THE SURFACE AT ACCURATELY IS ON THE SURFACE OF THIS A LOT OF THESE PLANS ARE OF THIS A LOT OF THESE PLANS ARE MORE ALIKE THAN THEY’RE MORE ALIKE THAN THEY’RE DISSIMILAR. DISSIMILAR.>>I THINK WHAT THE KEY POINT>>I THINK WHAT THE KEY POINT HERE IS, IS THAT YOU’RE SEEING HERE IS, IS THAT YOU’RE SEEING INCREASING NUMBER OF THE INCREASING NUMBER OF THE CANDIDATES IN THIS RACE PUSHING CANDIDATES IN THIS RACE PUSHING BACK ON THE IDEA OF MEDICARE FOR BACK ON THE IDEA OF MEDICARE FOR ALL. ALL. AND IF YOU WATCH THE LAST DEBATE AND IF YOU WATCH THE LAST DEBATE IT WAS HAPPENING THERE AND IT’S IT WAS HAPPENING THERE AND IT’S HAPPENING AGAIN WITH BUTTIGIEG HAPPENING AGAIN WITH BUTTIGIEG COMING OUT. COMING OUT. AND THEN ARE ESSENTIALLY VERY AND THEN ARE ESSENTIALLY VERY SIMILAR. SIMILAR. BUT WHAT THEY’RE TRYING TO DO IS BUT WHAT THEY’RE TRYING TO DO IS MAINTAIN PRIVATE INSURANCE. MAINTAIN PRIVATE INSURANCE. THERE ARE 160 MILLION AMERICANS THERE ARE 160 MILLION AMERICANS WHO GET THEIR INSURANCE FROM WHO GET THEIR INSURANCE FROM THEIR EMPLOYER. THEIR EMPLOYER. AND CONTRARY TO WHAT ELIZABETH AND CONTRARY TO WHAT ELIZABETH WARREN SAID AT THE LAST DEBATE, WARREN SAID AT THE LAST DEBATE, MOST OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY QUITE MOST OF THEM ARE ACTUALLY QUITE HAPPY WITH IT. HAPPY WITH IT. THIS IS ANOTHER VARIATION. THIS IS ANOTHER VARIATION. BUT THE GOOD NEWS FOR THE BUT THE GOOD NEWS FOR THE DEMOCRATS IS YOU NOW HAVE AN DEMOCRATS IS YOU NOW HAVE AN INCREASING NUMBER OF DEMOCRATIC INCREASING NUMBER OF DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES WHO ARE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES WHO ARE SIGNING UP FOR MEDICARE IF YOU SIGNING UP FOR MEDICARE IF YOU WANT IT. WANT IT.>>AND MAYOR PETE WAS CRITICAL>>AND MAYOR PETE WAS CRITICAL OF SENATOR WARREN ON THE STAGE OF SENATOR WARREN ON THE STAGE DEBATE THE OTHER NIGHT. DEBATE THE OTHER NIGHT. SO, JOSH, LET ME ASK YOU THEN, SO, JOSH, LET ME ASK YOU THEN, SEEMS TO ME THE MILLION DOLLARS SEEMS TO ME THE MILLION DOLLARS QUESTION AND SOME PEOPLE THINK QUESTION AND SOME PEOPLE THINK COULD BE A LETHAL ONE FOR COULD BE A LETHAL ONE FOR ELIZABETH WARREN IF SHE BECOMES ELIZABETH WARREN IF SHE BECOMES THE NOMINEE AND THAT’S THE IDEA THE NOMINEE AND THAT’S THE IDEA OF TAKING AWAY PRIVATE OF TAKING AWAY PRIVATE INSURANCE. INSURANCE. S A READ THROUGH MAYOR PETE’S S A READ THROUGH MAYOR PETE’S PLAN, IT SAYS IT WILL MOVE PLAN, IT SAYS IT WILL MOVE MILLIONS OF AMERICANS TO MILLIONS OF AMERICANS TO GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTHCARE GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTHCARE WITHOUT IMPOSING IT ON AMERICANS WITHOUT IMPOSING IT ON AMERICANS ALL AT ONCE. ALL AT ONCE. DOES THAT MEAN EVENTUALLY ALL DOES THAT MEAN EVENTUALLY ALL AMERICANS WILL BE MOVED OFF AMERICANS WILL BE MOVED OFF PRIVATE INSURANCE INTO THE PRIVATE INSURANCE INTO THE GOVERNMENT PROGRAM? GOVERNMENT PROGRAM?>>THAT’S HIS THEORY OF THE>>THAT’S HIS THEORY OF THE CASE. CASE. AND I ASKED HIM, LOOK, IF YOU’RE AND I ASKED HIM, LOOK, IF YOU’RE SITTING IN THE “C” SUITE OF SITTING IN THE “C” SUITE OF CIGNA, BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD CIGNA, BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD READING THIS PLAN, ARE YOU READING THIS PLAN, ARE YOU BASICALLY RIDING DEATH PLAN FOR BASICALLY RIDING DEATH PLAN FOR YOUR INDUSTRY? YOUR INDUSTRY? AND HE SAYS WELL, NO, YOU LOOK AND HE SAYS WELL, NO, YOU LOOK AT OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE PRIVATE AT OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE PRIVATE INSURANCE AUGUSTMENTS THE INSURANCE AUGUSTMENTS THE COVERAGE COVERAGE AUGMENTS THE COVERAGE THAT YOU AUGMENTS THE COVERAGE THAT YOU GET. GET. AND HE SAYS IF THOSE INSURANCE AND HE SAYS IF THOSE INSURANCE COMPANIES JUST COMPETE WELL COMPANIES JUST COMPETE WELL ENOUGH WITH THIS PUBLIC PLAN, ENOUGH WITH THIS PUBLIC PLAN, THERE WON’T BE ANY NEED FOR THEM THERE WON’T BE ANY NEED FOR THEM TO GO OUT OF BUSINESS. TO GO OUT OF BUSINESS. BUT IF YOU FOLLOW THE PRA JOEKT BUT IF YOU FOLLOW THE PRA JOEKT JECT TORI OF WHAT HE’S JECT TORI OF WHAT HE’S PREDICTING, DOES IT DOES PREDICTING, DOES IT DOES BASICALLY MOVE MOST IF ALL NOT BASICALLY MOVE MOST IF ALL NOT AMERICANS INTO SOME AMERICANS INTO SOME GOVERNMENT-RUN INSURANCE. GOVERNMENT-RUN INSURANCE.>>BUT IT DOESN’T FORCE THEM>>BUT IT DOESN’T FORCE THEM OFF, IS THAT THE DISTINCTION OFF, IS THAT THE DISTINCTION HE’S MAKING? HE’S MAKING?>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>THAT’S RIGHT. THAT’S WHAT MAKES THIS MORE THAT’S WHAT MAKES THIS MORE MODERATE THAN SOME OF THE MODERATE THAN SOME OF THE LIBERAL CANDIDATES. LIBERAL CANDIDATES. HE’S TRYING TO FOCUS ON CHOICE, HE’S TRYING TO FOCUS ON CHOICE, NOT INFRINGE OKAY PEOPLE’S NOT INFRINGE OKAY PEOPLE’S FREEDOM TO MAKE THAT DECISION FREEDOM TO MAKE THAT DECISION VOLUNTARILY. VOLUNTARILY.>>ALL RIGHT.>>ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU BOTH. THANK YOU BOTH.>>>COMING UP, JAMES MATTIS SAID>>>COMING UP, JAMES MATTIS SAID OWED THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION A OWED THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION A DUTY OF SILENCE. DUTY OF SILENCE.>>JOHN BOLTON NOT SO MUCH.>>JOHN BOLTON NOT SO MUCH.>>A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT>>A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ACTUALLY. ACTUALLY. WE’RE GOING TO GET DAVID WE’RE GOING TO GET DAVID IGNATIUS’ TAKE ON THOSE NEW IGNATIUS’ TAKE ON THOSE NEW COMMENTS HE MADE YESTERDAY ABOUT COMMENTS HE MADE YESTERDAY ABOUT THE PRESIDENT. THE PRESIDENT.>>>PLUS, IN A FEW HOURS THE>>>PLUS, IN A FEW HOURS THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE WILL MEET WITH A KEY FIGURE IN WILL MEET WITH A KEY FIGURE IN THE BATTLE OVER THAT THE BATTLE OVER THAT WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT THAT THE WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS FIGHTING TRUMP ADMINISTRATION IS FIGHTING TO KEEP UNDER WRAPS. TO KEEP UNDER WRAPS. WE’LL TALK TO A MEMBER OF THAT WE’LL TALK TO A MEMBER OF THAT COMMITTEE DEMOCRAT JIM HIMES. COMMITTEE DEMOCRAT JIM HIMES.>>>AND THE AP’S JONATHAN LEMIRE>>>AND THE AP’S JONATHAN LEMIRE JOINS US WITH HIS NEW REPORTING JOINS US WITH HIS NEW REPORTING THAT POSTED OVERNIGHT ON TRUMP’S