>>THANKS, MIKA. HI THERE, I’M STEPHANIE RUHLE. HI THERE, I’M STEPHANIE RUHLE. IT IS WEDNESDAY, JULY 31st, AND IT IS WEDNESDAY, JULY 31st, AND A BUSY DAY IT IS, SO LET’S GET A BUSY DAY IT IS, SO LET’S GET STARTED. STARTED. ONE DEBATE DOWN AND ANOTHER TO ONE DEBATE DOWN AND ANOTHER TO GO. GO. TONIGHT WE’RE GOING TO SEE PART TONIGHT WE’RE GOING TO SEE PART 2 OF THIS DEMOCRATIC 2 OF THIS DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE AND A LOT OF PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE AND A LOT OF WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEE TONIGHT WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEE TONIGHT WILL HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT WE SAW WILL HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT WE SAW LAST NIGHT IN PART 1. LAST NIGHT IN PART 1. IT WAS PACKED WITH FIERY MOMENTS IT WAS PACKED WITH FIERY MOMENTS FROM HEALTH CARE TO IMMIGRATION FROM HEALTH CARE TO IMMIGRATION TO ECONOMICS. TO ECONOMICS. THE IDEALOGICAL DIVIDE BETWEEN THE IDEALOGICAL DIVIDE BETWEEN THE PROGRESSIVES AND THE THE PROGRESSIVES AND THE MODERATES WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC MODERATES WITHIN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WAS FRONT AND CENTER. PARTY WAS FRONT AND CENTER.>>I THINK DEMOCRATS WIN WHEN WE>>I THINK DEMOCRATS WIN WHEN WE RUN ON REAL SOLUTIONS, NOT RUN ON REAL SOLUTIONS, NOT IMPOSSIBLE PROMISES. IMPOSSIBLE PROMISES. WHEN WE RUN ON THINGS THAT ARE WHEN WE RUN ON THINGS THAT ARE WORKABLE, NOT FAIRY TALE WORKABLE, NOT FAIRY TALE ECONOMICS. ECONOMICS.>>I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY>>I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY ANYBODY GOES TO ALL THE TROUBLE ANYBODY GOES TO ALL THE TROUBLE OF RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE OF RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES JUST TO TALK ABOUT UNITED STATES JUST TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE REALLY CAN’T DO AND WHAT WE REALLY CAN’T DO AND SHOULDN’T FIGHT FOR. SHOULDN’T FIGHT FOR.>>IF IT’S TRUE THAT IF WE>>IF IT’S TRUE THAT IF WE EMBRACE A FAR LEFT AGENDA, EMBRACE A FAR LEFT AGENDA, THEY’RE GOING TO SEE WE’RE A THEY’RE GOING TO SEE WE’RE A BUNCH OF CRAZY SOCIALISTS. BUNCH OF CRAZY SOCIALISTS. IF WE EMBRACE A CONSERVATIVE IF WE EMBRACE A CONSERVATIVE AGENDA, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY’RE AGENDA, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY’RE GOING TO DO? GOING TO DO? THEY’RE GOING TO SEE WE’RE A THEY’RE GOING TO SEE WE’RE A BUNCH OF CRAZY SOCIALISTS. BUNCH OF CRAZY SOCIALISTS. LET’S GO OUT AND DEFEND IT. LET’S GO OUT AND DEFEND IT.>>I THINK IF WE’RE GOING TO>>I THINK IF WE’RE GOING TO FORCE AMERICANS TO MAKE THESE FORCE AMERICANS TO MAKE THESE RADICAL CHANGES — THROW YOUR RADICAL CHANGES — THROW YOUR HANDS UP, BUT — OHO, I CAN DO HANDS UP, BUT — OHO, I CAN DO IT. IT. BUT YOU HAVEN’T I AM REPLY BUT YOU HAVEN’T I AM REPLY MENDTE — MENDTE — IMPLEMENTED THE PLANS. IMPLEMENTED THE PLANS. US MAYORS AND GOVERNORS ARE US MAYORS AND GOVERNORS ARE SUPPOSED TO PICK UP THE PIECES SUPPOSED TO PICK UP THE PIECES AND THERE IS NO PREPARATION. AND THERE IS NO PREPARATION. YOU CAN’T JUST SPRING A PLAN ON YOU CAN’T JUST SPRING A PLAN ON THE WORLD AND EXPECT IT TO THE WORLD AND EXPECT IT TO SUCCEED. SUCCEED.>>WHAT I DON’T LIKE ABOUT THIS>>WHAT I DON’T LIKE ABOUT THIS ARGUMENT RIGHT NOW, WHAT I DON’T ARGUMENT RIGHT NOW, WHAT I DON’T LIKE ABOUT IT AT ALL IS THAT WE LIKE ABOUT IT AT ALL IS THAT WE ARE MORE WORRIED ABOUT WINNING ARE MORE WORRIED ABOUT WINNING AN ARGUMENT THAN WINNING AN AN ARGUMENT THAN WINNING AN ELECTION. ELECTION.>>THIS ISN’T JUST A CHOICE>>THIS ISN’T JUST A CHOICE BETWEEN THE LEFT AND THE CENTER. BETWEEN THE LEFT AND THE CENTER. WHAT FOLKS WANT IS A FAIR SHOT. WHAT FOLKS WANT IS A FAIR SHOT. THE WAY I WON, THE WAY WE CAN THE WAY I WON, THE WAY WE CAN WIN IS ACTUALLY FOCUS ON THE WIN IS ACTUALLY FOCUS ON THE ECONOMY AND DEMOCRACY THAT ECONOMY AND DEMOCRACY THAT AREN’T WORKING FOR MOST PEOPLE. AREN’T WORKING FOR MOST PEOPLE.>>IN THIS DISCUSSION WE’VE>>IN THIS DISCUSSION WE’VE TALKED ABOUT TAKING PRIVATE TALKED ABOUT TAKING PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE FROM UNION HEALTH INSURANCE FROM UNION MEMBERS IN THE INDUSTRIAL MID MEMBERS IN THE INDUSTRIAL MID WERS WERS WEST, WEAVER TALKED ABOUT WEST, WEAVER TALKED ABOUT DECRIMINALIZING THE BORDER. DECRIMINALIZING THE BORDER. I DON’T THINK THATS AN’S AN AGEN I DON’T THINK THATS AN’S AN AGEN WE CAN WORK ON AND WIN. WE CAN WORK ON AND WIN. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING A WE’RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING A SHOWER THAT WE HAVEN’T HAD IN SHOWER THAT WE HAVEN’T HAD IN MORE THAN 30 YEARS. MORE THAN 30 YEARS.>>IN THIS COUNTRY MONEY BUYS>>IN THIS COUNTRY MONEY BUYS INFLUENCE, ACCESS AND INFLUENCE, ACCESS AND INCREASINGLY OUTCOMES. INCREASINGLY OUTCOMES.>>FUNKIF YOU THINK THIS WILL DE>>FUNKIF YOU THINK THIS WILL DE WITH THE HATRED THE PRESIDENT WITH THE HATRED THE PRESIDENT HAS BROUGHT UP IN THIS COUNTRY, HAS BROUGHT UP IN THIS COUNTRY, THEN I’M AFRAID THE DEMOCRATS THEN I’M AFRAID THE DEMOCRATS WILL SEE SOME VERY DARK DAYS. WILL SEE SOME VERY DARK DAYS.>>OUR TEAM IS IN DETROIT>>OUR TEAM IS IN DETROIT COVERING ALL THE ANGLES, JOINING COVERING ALL THE ANGLES, JOINING ME NOW, GARRETT HAAKE AND ALI ME NOW, GARRETT HAAKE AND ALI VITALE. VITALE. FIRST TALK OF THE NIGHT. FIRST TALK OF THE NIGHT. WALK ME THROUGH HOW YOU SAW THE WALK ME THROUGH HOW YOU SAW THE SPLIT. SPLIT.>>Reporter: IT ONLY MAKES SENSE>>Reporter: IT ONLY MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU HIT 2019 AND 2020, THE WHEN YOU HIT 2019 AND 2020, THE DEBATE IS HOW YOU ACTUALLY DO DEBATE IS HOW YOU ACTUALLY DO THAT. THAT. YOU SAW LOTS OF WAYS OF BEING A YOU SAW LOTS OF WAYS OF BEING A DEMOCRAT, GETTING TO THAT EVENT DEMOCRAT, GETTING TO THAT EVENT EVENTUAL GOAL OF UNIVERSAL EVENTUAL GOAL OF UNIVERSAL COVERAGE. COVERAGE. THIS HINGES TO ME ON PRIVATE THIS HINGES TO ME ON PRIVATE INSURANCE. INSURANCE. IF YOU LOOK AT BILL de BLASIODEB IF YOU LOOK AT BILL de BLASIODEB ELIZABETH WARREN, THEY’RE SAYING ELIZABETH WARREN, THEY’RE SAYING MEDICARE FOR ALL. MEDICARE FOR ALL. THE PUBLIC OPTION KEEPING A ROLE THE PUBLIC OPTION KEEPING A ROLE FOR PRIVATE INSURANCE. FOR PRIVATE INSURANCE. IT DID ELICIT SOME OF THE MOST IT DID ELICIT SOME OF THE MOST FIERY EXCHANGES OF THE EVENING. FIERY EXCHANGES OF THE EVENING. TAKE A LOOK AT HOW CANDIDATES TAKE A LOOK AT HOW CANDIDATES CONTENDED WITH THAT ISSUE. CONTENDED WITH THAT ISSUE.>>MEDICARE FOR ALL IS>>MEDICARE FOR ALL IS COMPREHENSIVE. COMPREHENSIVE. IT COVERS ALL HEALTH CARE NEEDS IT COVERS ALL HEALTH CARE NEEDS FOR SENIOR CITIZENS. FOR SENIOR CITIZENS. IT WILL FINALLY INCLUDE DENTAL IT WILL FINALLY INCLUDE DENTAL CARE, HEARING AIDS AND CARE, HEARING AIDS AND EYEGLASSES. EYEGLASSES.>>YOU DON’T KNOW THAT, BERNIE.>>YOU DON’T KNOW THAT, BERNIE.>>I DO KNOW IT, I WROTE THE>>I DO KNOW IT, I WROTE THE DAMN BILL. DAMN BILL.>>HIS MATH IS WRONG.>>HIS MATH IS WRONG. THAT’S ALL I’M SAYING. THAT’S ALL I’M SAYING. HIS MATH IS WRONG. HIS MATH IS WRONG. IT’S BEEN WELL DOCUMENTED THAT IT’S BEEN WELL DOCUMENTED THAT IF ALL THE BILLS WERE PAID AT IF ALL THE BILLS WERE PAID AT MEDICARE RATE, WHICH IS MEDICARE RATE, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY — I THINK IT’S IN SPECIFICALLY — I THINK IT’S IN SECTION 1200 OF THEIR BILL, THEN SECTION 1200 OF THEIR BILL, THEN MANY HOSPITALS IN THIS COUNTRY MANY HOSPITALS IN THIS COUNTRY WOULD CLOSE. WOULD CLOSE.>>ALL RIGHT, ALI, WE SAW WHERE>>ALL RIGHT, ALI, WE SAW WHERE ALL THE DEMOCRATS ARE ON THE ALL THE DEMOCRATS ARE ON THE SPECTRUM, BUT LET’S TAKE US TO SPECTRUM, BUT LET’S TAKE US TO THE BIG RACE. THE BIG RACE. HOW DO THEY FARE AGAINST THE HOW DO THEY FARE AGAINST THE PRESIDENT’S CURRENT POSITION ON PRESIDENT’S CURRENT POSITION ON HEALTH CARE? HEALTH CARE? BECAUSE I’M PRETTY SURE HE RAN BECAUSE I’M PRETTY SURE HE RAN ON REPEAL AND REPLACE, AND RIGHT ON REPEAL AND REPLACE, AND RIGHT NOW AT BEST, IS HE DEFENDING NOW AT BEST, IS HE DEFENDING OBAMACARE? OBAMACARE?>>Reporter: CERTAINLY HEALTH>>Reporter: CERTAINLY HEALTH CARE HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MISSED CARE HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MISSED OPPORTUNITIES, YOU COULD SAY, OF OPPORTUNITIES, YOU COULD SAY, OF PRESIDENT TRUMP AS HE GOES OUT PRESIDENT TRUMP AS HE GOES OUT AND SAYS PROMISES MADE, PROMISES AND SAYS PROMISES MADE, PROMISES KEPT. KEPT. CERTAINLY THAT’S NOT ONE OF CERTAINLY THAT’S NOT ONE OF THEM. THEM. I THINK FOR DEMOCRATS WHEN YOU I THINK FOR DEMOCRATS WHEN YOU TAKE IT TO A GENERAL ELECTION TAKE IT TO A GENERAL ELECTION YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IS YOU HAVE YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IS YOU HAVE ALL THESE WIDE RANGES OF PLANS, ALL THESE WIDE RANGES OF PLANS, BUT ALL OF THEM, EVEN IF A BUT ALL OF THEM, EVEN IF A DEMOCRAT BECOMES PRESIDENT IN DEMOCRAT BECOMES PRESIDENT IN 2021, NEED TO BES TO BE PASSED I 2021, NEED TO BES TO BE PASSED I CONGRESS, AND GARRETT AND I ON CONGRESS, AND GARRETT AND I ON CAPITOL HILL KNOW HOW THAT GOES. CAPITOL HILL KNOW HOW THAT GOES. FROM TALKING TO VOTERS WE KNOW FROM TALKING TO VOTERS WE KNOW THAT’S AN ESSENTIAL CONCERN, BUT THAT’S AN ESSENTIAL CONCERN, BUT I THINK IT’S ALSO GOING TO BE I THINK IT’S ALSO GOING TO BE HOW DO YOU WORK WITH THE SENATE, HOW DO YOU WORK WITH THE SENATE, HOW DO YOU WORK WITH CONGRESS, HOW DO YOU WORK WITH CONGRESS, AND HOW DO YOU DO IT IN A AND HOW DO YOU DO IT IN A BIPARTISAN FASHION, BECAUSE BIPARTISAN FASHION, BECAUSE REALITY ON THE GROUND IS THAT’S REALITY ON THE GROUND IS THAT’S WHAT YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO. WHAT YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO.>>GARRETT, YOU BOTH SPENT THE>>GARRETT, YOU BOTH SPENT THE NIGHT WITH ALL THE CAMPAIGNS, NIGHT WITH ALL THE CAMPAIGNS, AND OBVIOUSLY EVERY CANDIDATE IN AND OBVIOUSLY EVERY CANDIDATE IN HIS OR HER TEAM SAID THEY HIS OR HER TEAM SAID THEY CRUSHED IT. CRUSHED IT. BUT THOSE CANDIDATES WHO ARE BUT THOSE CANDIDATES WHO ARE POLLING AT 1% OR LESS, IT REALLY POLLING AT 1% OR LESS, IT REALLY WAS MAKE OR BREAK. WAS MAKE OR BREAK. SO WHO DID REALLY STAND OUT? SO WHO DID REALLY STAND OUT?>>FOR THE 1 PERCENTERS, I SAW>>FOR THE 1 PERCENTERS, I SAW THE GOOD, THE BAD, THE UGLY LAST THE GOOD, THE BAD, THE UGLY LAST NIGHT. NIGHT. I THINK BULLOCK WHO CAME IN I THINK BULLOCK WHO CAME IN BASICALLY INTRODUCING HIMSELF BASICALLY INTRODUCING HIMSELF DID A GOOD JOB. DID A GOOD JOB. AND DELANEY, I THINK HE’LL AND DELANEY, I THINK HE’LL MOSTLY BE REMEMBERED THAT HE GOT MOSTLY BE REMEMBERED THAT HE GOT DUMPED ON BY ELIZABETH WARREN DUMPED ON BY ELIZABETH WARREN THAT HE WASN’T SOMEHOW FIGHTING THAT HE WASN’T SOMEHOW FIGHTING FOR BIG, BOLD PLANS. FOR BIG, BOLD PLANS. AND THE MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO ME AND THE MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO ME WAS TIM RYAN, THE CONGRESSMAN WAS TIM RYAN, THE CONGRESSMAN FROM OHIO, WHO GAVE SOME OF THE FROM OHIO, WHO GAVE SOME OF THE MOST VOCIFEROUS ATTACK LINES ON MOST VOCIFEROUS ATTACK LINES ON MEDICARE FOR ALL MOSTLY OFFSTAGE MEDICARE FOR ALL MOSTLY OFFSTAGE AFTERWARDS. AFTERWARDS. HERE’S WHAT HE TOLD ME IN THE HERE’S WHAT HE TOLD ME IN THE SPIN ROOM. SPIN ROOM. TAKE A LISTEN. TAKE A LISTEN. WHAT HAPPENS IN A DISTRICT LIKE WHAT HAPPENS IN A DISTRICT LIKE YOURS IF SOMEONE LIKE THAT IS AT YOURS IF SOMEONE LIKE THAT IS AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET? THE TOP OF THE TICKET? DOES IT MAKE DEMOCRATS LIKE DOES IT MAKE DEMOCRATS LIKE YOURS HARD TO WIN IN YOUNGSTOWN, YOURS HARD TO WIN IN YOUNGSTOWN, OHIO? OHIO?>>I THINK IF WE’RE TALKING>>I THINK IF WE’RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING PRIVATE HEALTH CARE ABOUT TAKING PRIVATE HEALTH CARE AWAY, WE’RE GOING TO LOSE 48 AWAY, WE’RE GOING TO LOSE 48 STATES. STATES. AND I’M HAVING A TOUGH TIME AND I’M HAVING A TOUGH TIME FIGURING OUT THE TWO WE WILL FIGURING OUT THE TWO WE WILL WIN. WIN.>>THE THING WITH RYAN, IF>>THE THING WITH RYAN, IF YOU’RE ABLE TO DELIVER IT ON THE YOU’RE ABLE TO DELIVER IT ON THE DEBATE STAGE, HE MISSED THE DEBATE STAGE, HE MISSED THE MOMENT THERE AND NOW WE GO MOMENT THERE AND NOW WE GO THROUGH THE LONG HOT SUMMER OF THROUGH THE LONG HOT SUMMER OF THESE CANDIDATES TRYING TO MAKE THESE CANDIDATES TRYING TO MAKE IT TO THE NEXT DEBATE. IT TO THE NEXT DEBATE.>>THAT’S WHAT HAPPENED LAST>>THAT’S WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT. NIGHT. NOW LET’S DIG INTO WHAT IT ALL NOW LET’S DIG INTO WHAT IT ALL MEANS. MEANS. LET’S BRING IN MY FIRST GROUP OF LET’S BRING IN MY FIRST GROUP OF MSNBC CONTRIBUTORS, CHIEF PUBLIC MSNBC CONTRIBUTORS, CHIEF PUBLIC AFFAIRS OFFICER OF MOVEON.ORG, AFFAIRS OFFICER OF MOVEON.ORG, SUSAN DEL PERCIO AND THE OFFICER SUSAN DEL PERCIO AND THE OFFICER OF THE CONSERVATIVE JOINING ME, OF THE CONSERVATIVE JOINING ME, MY DEAR FRIEND JOHN ALLEN. MY DEAR FRIEND JOHN ALLEN. CORRINE, I WANT TO PLAY THAT CORRINE, I WANT TO PLAY THAT EXCHANGE BETWEEN ELIZABETH EXCHANGE BETWEEN ELIZABETH WARREN AND JOHN DELANEY REALLY WARREN AND JOHN DELANEY REALLY CENTERED ON THIS IDEA THAT THOSE CENTERED ON THIS IDEA THAT THOSE WERE THE BIGGEST, BOLDEST IDEAS, WERE THE BIGGEST, BOLDEST IDEAS, ARE THE ONES WHO SHOULD RISE UP. ARE THE ONES WHO SHOULD RISE UP.>>I THINK DEMOCRATS WIN WHEN WE>>I THINK DEMOCRATS WIN WHEN WE RUN ON REAL SOLUTIONS, NOT RUN ON REAL SOLUTIONS, NOT IMPOSSIBLE PROMISES. IMPOSSIBLE PROMISES. WHEN WE RUN ON THINGS THAT ARE WHEN WE RUN ON THINGS THAT ARE WORKABLE, NOT FAIRY TALE WORKABLE, NOT FAIRY TALE ECONOMICS. ECONOMICS.>>I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY>>I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY ANYBODY GOES TO ALL THE TROUBLE ANYBODY GOES TO ALL THE TROUBLE OF RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE OF RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES JUST TO TALK ABOUT UNITED STATES JUST TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE REALLY CAN’T DO AND WHAT WE REALLY CAN’T DO AND SHOULDN’T FIGHT FOR. SHOULDN’T FIGHT FOR.>>OKAY.>>OKAY. THE CROWD CLEARLY LIKES THAT. THE CROWD CLEARLY LIKES THAT. IT’S DRAMATIC, IT’S BOLD, IT’S IT’S DRAMATIC, IT’S BOLD, IT’S BIG, BUT I DO WANT TO SHARE A BIG, BUT I DO WANT TO SHARE A TWEET THAT JOSH BARROW WRITES. TWEET THAT JOSH BARROW WRITES. HE WRITES, AS A REMINDER, THE HE WRITES, AS A REMINDER, THE CANDIDATES WITH MORE MODERATE CANDIDATES WITH MORE MODERATE ISSUE POSITIONING TEND TO FORM ISSUE POSITIONING TEND TO FORM BETTER IN GENERAL ELECTIONS AND BETTER IN GENERAL ELECTIONS AND ARE ACTUALLY ELECTABLE. ARE ACTUALLY ELECTABLE. THAT IS A REALITY AND NOT THAT IS A REALITY AND NOT SOMETHING TV SHOWS INVENT TO SOMETHING TV SHOWS INVENT TO PISS YOU OFF. PISS YOU OFF.>>I GET THAT, BUT THIS IS NOT>>I GET THAT, BUT THIS IS NOT THOSE TIMES. THOSE TIMES. IT WAS SUBSTANTIVE, WE TALKED IT WAS SUBSTANTIVE, WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF ISSUES. ABOUT A LOT OF ISSUES. THAT’S WONDERFUL, THAT’S THE THAT’S WONDERFUL, THAT’S THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY RIGHT NOW. DEMOCRATIC PARTY RIGHT NOW. BUT I WANTED THEM TO FOCUS LESS BUT I WANTED THEM TO FOCUS LESS ON EACH OTHER AND MORE ON THE ON EACH OTHER AND MORE ON THE BIG PROBLEM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, BIG PROBLEM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS DONALD TRUMP. WHICH IS DONALD TRUMP. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOMETHING WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SOMETHING LIKE HEALTH CARE, RIGHT NOW LIKE HEALTH CARE, RIGHT NOW DONALD TRUMP’S ADMINISTRATION IS DONALD TRUMP’S ADMINISTRATION IS IN COURT RIGHT NOW TRYING TO IN COURT RIGHT NOW TRYING TO TAKE AWAY HEALTH CARE FROM TENS TAKE AWAY HEALTH CARE FROM TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN GUTTING IT REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN GUTTING IT FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. THAT IS WHY I THINK WHAT THAT IS WHY I THINK WHAT ELIZABETH WARREN SAID REALLY ELIZABETH WARREN SAID REALLY RESONATED WITH PEOPLE, BECAUSE RESONATED WITH PEOPLE, BECAUSE PEOPLE REALLY CARE. PEOPLE REALLY CARE. HEALTH CARE IS A NUMBER ONE HEALTH CARE IS A NUMBER ONE ISSUE. ISSUE. IT WASN’T IN 2018, IT WASN’T IN IT WASN’T IN 2018, IT WASN’T IN 2017. 2017. IT CONTINUES TO BE THAT GOING IT CONTINUES TO BE THAT GOING INTO 2020. INTO 2020. THERE IS A CONTRAST WITH DONALD THERE IS A CONTRAST WITH DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP. WE’RE A DIFFERENT TIME. WE’RE A DIFFERENT TIME. WE ARE IN A DITCH RIGHT NOW. WE ARE IN A DITCH RIGHT NOW. SO PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR, THE BASE SO PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR, THE BASE WANTS TO HEAR WHAT BIG THINGS WANTS TO HEAR WHAT BIG THINGS ARE YOU GOING TO DO FOR ME? ARE YOU GOING TO DO FOR ME?>>BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WANT>>BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO AND WHAT YOU CAN DO ARE TO DO AND WHAT YOU CAN DO ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. I WANT TO SHARE WHAT CLAIRE I WANT TO SHARE WHAT CLAIRE McCASKILL SAID. McCASKILL SAID. BERNIE SANDERS SAID, I WROTE THE BERNIE SANDERS SAID, I WROTE THE DAMN BILL. DAMN BILL.>>UNLESS DEMOCRATS TAKE THE>>UNLESS DEMOCRATS TAKE THE SENATE AND DECIDE TO DO AWAY SENATE AND DECIDE TO DO AWAY WITH A FILIBUSTER WHICH THEY WITH A FILIBUSTER WHICH THEY WILL NOT DO, THE INSTITUTIONAL WILL NOT DO, THE INSTITUTIONAL WILL HOLD 60 VOTES. WILL HOLD 60 VOTES. NOW, DOES ANYBODY THINK THAT A NOW, DOES ANYBODY THINK THAT A PLAN THAT WILL GIVE A GUARANTEED PLAN THAT WILL GIVE A GUARANTEED JOB TO EVERYONE WILL GET 60 JOB TO EVERYONE WILL GET 60 VOTES? VOTES? DOES ANYBODY THINK DOING AWAY DOES ANYBODY THINK DOING AWAY WITH ALL THE PRIVATE INSURANCE WITH ALL THE PRIVATE INSURANCE IN THE COUNTRY IS GOING TO GET IN THE COUNTRY IS GOING TO GET 60 VOTES? 60 VOTES?>>THESE BIG, BOLD IDEAS MIGHT>>THESE BIG, BOLD IDEAS MIGHT END US UP WITH MORE GRIDLOCK. END US UP WITH MORE GRIDLOCK.>>YEAH, ESPECIALLY IF IT>>YEAH, ESPECIALLY IF IT DOESN’T SEEM LIKE THERE’S ANY DOESN’T SEEM LIKE THERE’S ANY ROOM TO COMPROMISE. ROOM TO COMPROMISE. ONE THINGIE LIZ ELIZABETH WARREN ONE THINGIE LIZ ELIZABETH WARREN BERNIE SANDERS SAID WAS TO GO BERNIE SANDERS SAID WAS TO GO BIG. BIG. I THINK THIS IS A TIME ON THE I THINK THIS IS A TIME ON THE DEBATE SEAT FOR CANDIDATES TO DEBATE SEAT FOR CANDIDATES TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, AND I INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, AND I ACTUALLY THINK THE WINNERS OF ACTUALLY THINK THE WINNERS OF THIS DEBATE WERE THE DEMOCRATIC THIS DEBATE WERE THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY VOTERS. PRIMARY VOTERS. BECAUSE THE BASE GOT THEIR — BECAUSE THE BASE GOT THEIR — THE REAL PROGRESSIVE BASE GOT THE REAL PROGRESSIVE BASE GOT THEIR PROGRESSIVES DONE, BUT THE THEIR PROGRESSIVES DONE, BUT THE MODERATE PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC MODERATE PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS, WHICH ARE THE MAJORITY, VOTERS, WHICH ARE THE MAJORITY, GOT SOMETHING ELSE. GOT SOMETHING ELSE. THEY HEARD A DIFFERENT SIDE, A THEY HEARD A DIFFERENT SIDE, A MODERATE SIDE, A DIFFERENT TAKE, MODERATE SIDE, A DIFFERENT TAKE, AND LET THE DISCUSSIONS HAPPEN. AND LET THE DISCUSSIONS HAPPEN. JUST AS AN AMERICAN, JUST AS JUST AS AN AMERICAN, JUST AS SOMEONE WATCHING, I WAS THRILLED SOMEONE WATCHING, I WAS THRILLED TO SEE IT. TO SEE IT. I WISH THE REPUBLICANS COULD I WISH THE REPUBLICANS COULD SHOW OFF THEIR POSITIONS IN SUCH SHOW OFF THEIR POSITIONS IN SUCH A GOOD WAY. A GOOD WAY.>>THAT’S A GOOD POINT.>>THAT’S A GOOD POINT. LET’S TALK ABOUT STEVE BULLOCK LET’S TALK ABOUT STEVE BULLOCK LAST NIGHT. LAST NIGHT. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME WE SAW HIM IT WAS THE FIRST TIME WE SAW HIM ON THE NATIONAL STAGE. ON THE NATIONAL STAGE. IN THE JUNE DEBATE HE SET IN THE JUNE DEBATE HE SET HIMSELF APART ON A COUPLE HIMSELF APART ON A COUPLE ISSUES, ON HEALTH CARE AND ISSUES, ON HEALTH CARE AND IMMIGRATION. IMMIGRATION. LET’S TAKE A LISTEN. LET’S TAKE A LISTEN.>>THIS IS PART OF THE>>THIS IS PART OF THE DISCUSSION THAT SHOWS HOW OFTEN DISCUSSION THAT SHOWS HOW OFTEN THESE DEBATES ARE DETACHED FROM THESE DEBATES ARE DETACHED FROM PEOPLE’S LIVES. PEOPLE’S LIVES. WE’VE GOT 100,000 PEOPLE SHOWING WE’VE GOT 100,000 PEOPLE SHOWING UP AT THE BORDER RIGHT NOW. UP AT THE BORDER RIGHT NOW. IF WE DECRIMINALIZE ENTRY, IF WE IF WE DECRIMINALIZE ENTRY, IF WE GIVE HEALTH CARE TO EVERYONE, GIVE HEALTH CARE TO EVERYONE, WE’LL HAVE MULTIPLES OF THAT. WE’LL HAVE MULTIPLES OF THAT. DON’T TAKE MY WORD. DON’T TAKE MY WORD. THAT WAS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S THAT WAS PRESIDENT OBAMA’S HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY THAT HOMELAND SECURITY SECRETARY THAT SAID THAT. SAID THAT.>>MR. WILL, IF IMMIGRATION IS>>MR. WILL, IF IMMIGRATION IS THE CORNERSTONE OF DONALD THE CORNERSTONE OF DONALD TRUMP’S REELECTION CAMPAIGN, TRUMP’S REELECTION CAMPAIGN, WOULD A GUY LIKE STEVE BULLOCK WOULD A GUY LIKE STEVE BULLOCK IN HIS POSITION BE A REAL IN HIS POSITION BE A REAL PROBLEM FOR HIM? PROBLEM FOR HIM?>>I THINK HE WOULD, BECAUSE>>I THINK HE WOULD, BECAUSE WHAT MR. TRUMP WANTS TO DO IS WHAT MR. TRUMP WANTS TO DO IS RUN AGAINST THE STRAW MAN, OR AT RUN AGAINST THE STRAW MAN, OR AT LEAST IT SEEMED TO BE A STRAW LEAST IT SEEMED TO BE A STRAW MAN UNTIL RECENTLY, THE COUNTRY MAN UNTIL RECENTLY, THE COUNTRY IS FOR OPEN BORDERS. IS FOR OPEN BORDERS. THE COUNTRY IS NOT FOR OPEN THE COUNTRY IS NOT FOR OPEN BORDERS. BORDERS. THERE WAS ANOTHER THING HE SAID THERE WAS ANOTHER THING HE SAID THAT I THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT. THAT I THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT. HE SAID IT USED TO BE HE SAID IT USED TO BE REPUBLICANS THAT TALKED ABOUT REPUBLICANS THAT TALKED ABOUT REPEALING AND REPLACING REPEALING AND REPLACING OBAMACARE, NOW IT’S DEMOCRATS. OBAMACARE, NOW IT’S DEMOCRATS. ONE OF THE FASCINATING ASPECTS ONE OF THE FASCINATING ASPECTS OF THIS IS THE DEMOCRATIC OF THIS IS THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES TO THE LEFT ARE CANDIDATES TO THE LEFT ARE SAYING THAT THE HEALTH CARE SAYING THAT THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN AMERICA IS SO BAD THAT SYSTEM IN AMERICA IS SO BAD THAT IT HAS TO BE RADICALLY IT HAS TO BE RADICALLY OVERHAULED. OVERHAULED. WHAT THE DEVIL DO ALL THOSE WHAT THE DEVIL DO ALL THOSE YEARS AND PAY SUCH A HAD HE EVER YEARS AND PAY SUCH A HAD HE EVER FOR DOING IT IN PUTTING FOR DOING IT IN PUTTING OBAMACARE IN PLACE? OBAMACARE IN PLACE? THE SAME IS TRUE FOR THE SAME IS TRUE FOR IMMIGRATION. IMMIGRATION. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DEPORTATIONS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DEPORTATIONS, AND WE’RE TALKING ABOUT MILLIONS AND WE’RE TALKING ABOUT MILLIONS UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA, THEY’LL UNDER PRESIDENT OBAMA, THEY’LL SEE THE OPEN BORDERS IS NOT A SEE THE OPEN BORDERS IS NOT A DEMOCRATIC PARTY POSITION. DEMOCRATIC PARTY POSITION.>>JOHN ALLEN, MANY WATCHED LAST>>JOHN ALLEN, MANY WATCHED LAST NIGHT’S DEBATES AND THOUGHT THE NIGHT’S DEBATES AND THOUGHT THE MORE PROGRESSIVE WING, ELIZABETH MORE PROGRESSIVE WING, ELIZABETH WARREN SPECIFICALLY, HAD AN WARREN SPECIFICALLY, HAD AN ALL-STAR NIGHT. ALL-STAR NIGHT. YOUR ANALYSIS WAS A LITTLE BIT YOUR ANALYSIS WAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING DIFFERENT WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING ABOUT SANDERS AND ELIZABETH ABOUT SANDERS AND ELIZABETH WARREN. WARREN. YOU SAY IF THEY WERE GOING TO YOU SAY IF THEY WERE GOING TO DEMONSTRATE CONVINCINGLY THAT IT DEMONSTRATE CONVINCINGLY THAT IT WOULD TAKE BIG, BOLD, IMPRESSIVE WOULD TAKE BIG, BOLD, IMPRESSIVE POLICY IDEAS TO BEAT DONALD POLICY IDEAS TO BEAT DONALD TRUMP, SURELY IT WOULD HAVE TRUMP, SURELY IT WOULD HAVE HELPED TO WIPE THE FLOOR WITH HELPED TO WIPE THE FLOOR WITH THE EIGHT OTHER DEMOCRATS ON THE EIGHT OTHER DEMOCRATS ON STAGE WITH THEM. STAGE WITH THEM. THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN, NOT AT ALL. THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN, NOT AT ALL. THIS WAS THE LEFT’S FIRST BIG THIS WAS THE LEFT’S FIRST BIG SHOT AND IT JUST DIDN’T HIT. SHOT AND IT JUST DIDN’T HIT. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT WAS THE WHY DO YOU THINK THAT WAS THE CASE? CASE?>>I THINK THE REAL CASE THERE,>>I THINK THE REAL CASE THERE, STEPHANIE, IS YOU HAD WARREN AND STEPHANIE, IS YOU HAD WARREN AND SANDERS, AND AS GEORGE IS SANDERS, AND AS GEORGE IS POINTING OUT ON HEALTH CARE POINTING OUT ON HEALTH CARE HERE, BASICALLY RUNNING AGAINST HERE, BASICALLY RUNNING AGAINST BARACK OBAMA AND RUNNING AGAINST BARACK OBAMA AND RUNNING AGAINST OBAMACARE. OBAMACARE. IF YOU’RE GOING TO MAKE THE CASE IF YOU’RE GOING TO MAKE THE CASE FOR THE BIG STRUCTURAL REFORMS, FOR THE BIG STRUCTURAL REFORMS, YOU’VE GOT TO CONVINCE A LOT OF YOU’VE GOT TO CONVINCE A LOT OF PEOPLE, NOT JUST THE PEOPLE, NOT JUST THE PROGRESSIVES BUT ALSO THE PROGRESSIVES BUT ALSO THE CENTRIST PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC CENTRIST PART OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND ALSO SWING VOTERS IN PARTY AND ALSO SWING VOTERS IN THE GENERAL ELECTION THAT YOUR THE GENERAL ELECTION THAT YOUR CAUSE IS RIGHT, THAT YOUR IDEAS CAUSE IS RIGHT, THAT YOUR IDEAS ARE BEST AND YOU CAN IMPLEMENT ARE BEST AND YOU CAN IMPLEMENT THEM. THEM. I THINK THEY WERE MET WITH I THINK THEY WERE MET WITH PRETTY FIERY RESISTANCE ON STAGE PRETTY FIERY RESISTANCE ON STAGE LAST NIGHT. LAST NIGHT. IT’S NOT CLEAR TO ME THERE WAS A IT’S NOT CLEAR TO ME THERE WAS A HUGE AGGRESSIVE WIN ON THE LEFT. HUGE AGGRESSIVE WIN ON THE LEFT. IT’S NOT CLEAR TO ME THAT WARREN IT’S NOT CLEAR TO ME THAT WARREN AND SANDERS WERE NOT MORE AND SANDERS WERE NOT MORE APPEALING TO THE BASE, BUT THEY APPEALING TO THE BASE, BUT THEY WERE BASICALLY RUNNING AGAINST WERE BASICALLY RUNNING AGAINST THE CREW OF ALSO-RANS LAST NIGHT THE CREW OF ALSO-RANS LAST NIGHT AND WEREN’T ABLE TO WIPE THEM AND WEREN’T ABLE TO WIPE THEM OUT. OUT. HOW DO THEY EXPECT TO GO UP HOW DO THEY EXPECT TO GO UP AGAINST JOE BIDEN AND BEAT HIM AGAINST JOE BIDEN AND BEAT HIM IN A DEBATE ON THESE ISSUES AND IN A DEBATE ON THESE ISSUES AND HOW DO THEY EXPECT TO GO UP HOW DO THEY EXPECT TO GO UP AGAINST TRUMP AND BEAT HIM IN A AGAINST TRUMP AND BEAT HIM IN A DEBATE ON THESE ISSUES? DEBATE ON THESE ISSUES? IF THEY’RE GOING TO DO THAT, I IF THEY’RE GOING TO DO THAT, I THINK THEY HAVE TO SHARPEN THEM. THINK THEY HAVE TO SHARPEN THEM. LET ME SAY ONE OTHER QUICK LET ME SAY ONE OTHER QUICK THING, STEPHANIE. THING, STEPHANIE. YOU ARE A BRIGHT PSYCHIC FORCE YOU ARE A BRIGHT PSYCHIC FORCE IN THIS UNIVERSE, NOT THE DARK IN THIS UNIVERSE, NOT THE DARK PSYCHIC FORCE THAT THEY WERE PSYCHIC FORCE THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT LAST NIGHT. TALKING ABOUT LAST NIGHT.>>I APPRECIATE THAT, JOHN, AND>>I APPRECIATE THAT, JOHN, AND MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU. MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE 1 I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE 1 PERCENTERS FOR JUST ONE MORE PERCENTERS FOR JUST ONE MORE MOMENT BECAUSE OUR FRIEND TIM MOMENT BECAUSE OUR FRIEND TIM O’BRIEN WROTE THIS ON TWITTER. O’BRIEN WROTE THIS ON TWITTER. THERE ARE SENATE RACES TO BE THERE ARE SENATE RACES TO BE ENTERED IN TEXAS, MONTANA AND ENTERED IN TEXAS, MONTANA AND COLORADO, AND I CAN THINK OF COLORADO, AND I CAN THINK OF THREE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE THREE PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING THEM THIS SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING THEM THIS MORNING. MORNING. HE’S OBVIOUSLY TALKING TO BETO HE’S OBVIOUSLY TALKING TO BETO O’ROURKE, STEVE BULLOCK AND JOHN O’ROURKE, STEVE BULLOCK AND JOHN HICKENLOOPER. HICKENLOOPER. HE’S SAYING, BOYS, LET’S GET HE’S SAYING, BOYS, LET’S GET REAL. REAL. THERE ARE OTHER POSITIONS TO BE THERE ARE OTHER POSITIONS TO BE WON. WON. THINK ABOUT IT. THINK ABOUT IT.>>I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT>>I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT SENTIMENT. SENTIMENT. LAST NIGHT WAS ABOUT THAT LOWER LAST NIGHT WAS ABOUT THAT LOWER 1% FOLKS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED 1% FOLKS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED TO REALLY BREAK OUT, HAVE A TO REALLY BREAK OUT, HAVE A BREAKOUT MOMENT AND GET THAT BREAKOUT MOMENT AND GET THAT TICKET TO THE DEBATE IN HOUSTON TICKET TO THE DEBATE IN HOUSTON IN SEPTEMBER. IN SEPTEMBER. IF YOU CAN’T MAKE IT TO IF YOU CAN’T MAKE IT TO SEPTEMBER, YOU CAN’T MAKE IT TO SEPTEMBER, YOU CAN’T MAKE IT TO THAT DEBATE, THEN I THINK YOUR THAT DEBATE, THEN I THINK YOUR CAMPAIGN IS ESSENTIALLY GOING TO CAMPAIGN IS ESSENTIALLY GOING TO BE OVER. BE OVER. WHAT HE SAID PLAYS INTO WHAT WHAT HE SAID PLAYS INTO WHAT CLAIRE McCASKILL’S POINT IS, IF CLAIRE McCASKILL’S POINT IS, IF DEMOCRATS DON’T HAVE THE SENATE, DEMOCRATS DON’T HAVE THE SENATE, WE CAN’T JUST FOCUS ON THE WHITE WE CAN’T JUST FOCUS ON THE WHITE HOUSE. HOUSE. WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE SENATE WE HAVE TO FOCUS ON THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE AS WE SEE NOW, AND THE HOUSE AS WE SEE NOW, ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST THREE ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, THEN WHERE DO WE HAVE YEARS, THEN WHERE DO WE HAVE THESE IDEAS THAT REALLY TRULY GO THESE IDEAS THAT REALLY TRULY GO NOWHERE? NOWHERE? SO I DO AGREE THESE FOLKS NEED SO I DO AGREE THESE FOLKS NEED TO REALLY START THINKING TO REALLY START THINKING SERIOUSLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW,