BUT THIS HIGH INTENSITY EXPERIENCE TOOK THEIR BOND TO A NEW LEVEL. >>I WAS WATCHING YOU WITH YOUR DESKS NEXT TO EACH OTHER, YOU COULD SORT OF SENSE A BIT OF RELIEF THAT EACH OF YOU HAD THAT YOU HAD ONE ANOTHER. DID I READ THAT RIGHT?>>I WILL SAY I WAS VERY HAPPY THAT LISA WAS LITERALLY SITTING NEXT TO ME AS WE WERE VOTING FROM OUR SEATS WHICH, AS YOU KNOW, IS UNUSUAL AND ISSUING VERY IMPORTANT VOTES. >>TO HAVE THAT WEIGHT, THAT RESPONSIBILITY KNOWING THAT YOUR VOTE REALLY IS THAT PIVOTAL, IT DOES HELP TO KNOW THERE IS ANOTHER KINDRED SOUL CLOSE BY. >>YOU BOTH ARE HERE ROWS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE AND HERETICS TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. HOW DO YOU SEE YOURSELF?>>I SEE MYSELF AS SOMEONE WHO HAS AN OBLIGATION TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF MAINE. SOMETIMES THAT MEANS CASTING UNCOMFORTABLE VOTES, VOTES THAT WILL MAKE MY PARTY UNCOMFORTABLE AND EVEN ANGRY AT ME. >>YOU WANT TO VOTE TO DO THE RIGHT THING. AND SO WORRYING ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES, ARE YOU FEARFUL OF REPERCUSSION FROM YOUR PAR, A TWEET FROM THE PRESIDENT, A BACKLASH FROM YOUR LEADERSHIP. I DON’T BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD BE MOTIVATED OR DISCOURAGED FROM TAKING THE POSITIONS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE THAT WE REPRESENT IN OUR RESPECTIVE STATES. >>CAN YOU GIVE ME A SENSE OF THE KIND OF PRESSURE YOU HAD AND HOW YOU HANDLED IT? HOW DID THAT BEAR ITSELF OUT?>>PHONE CALLS, MEETINGS. I HAD A PRIVATE MEETING WITH THE VICE PRESIDENT AT ONE POINT. >>IS IT HARD AT THAT POINT — YOU RAN ON REPEALING OBAMACARE. THIS IS THE TIME. THE BELL IS RINGING. GO.>>I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE WERE AT THE WHITE HOUSE — THE SECOND TIME WE WERE OVER THERE, AND IT WAS A VERY DIRECTED APPEAL, THAT WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AS REPUBLICANS. I MADE A STATEMENT TO THE PRESIDENT WITH MY COLLEAGUES AND WITH HIS TEAM THERE THAT I’M NOT VOTING FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I’M VOTING FOR THE PEOPLE OF ALASKA. >>AND I REMEMBER BEING SO PROUD OF YOU FOR SAYING DIRECTLY TO THE PRESIDENT WHAT YOUR OBLIGATIONS WERE. AND THAT’S THE WAY I FEEL, TOO. THE PEOPLE OF MAINE DON’T EXPECT ME TO BE A RUBBER STAMP.>>IF YOU WERE MALE SENATORS, DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE SUCH A PRIORITY FOR YOU, TO MAKE SURE PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS NOT CUT?>>THAT’S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. THE ISSUE OF FAMILY PLANNING SERVICES, CANCER SCREENING, WELL WOMEN CARE PROBABLY DOES RESONATED WITH US MORE THAN WITH OUR MALE COLLEAGUES, AND TO ME IT WAS SO UNFAIR TO SINGLE OUT ONE MEDICAID PROVIDER AND SAY TO WOMEN IN PARTICULAR YOU CAN’T CHOOSE WHICH HEALTH CARE PROVIDER YOU WANT TO GO TO. >>I WANT TO BORROW A PHRASE FROM THE FIRST FEMALE SECRETARY OF STATE WHO TALKED ABOUT CO-HONE NAS. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING THAT YOU TWO HAVE MORE CAJONES THAN A LOT OF GUYS AROUND HERE. DO YOU BUY THAT?>>EVERY SENATOR HAS TO MAKE HIS OR HER OWN DECISION. I WOULDN’T JUDGE MY COLLEAGUES. >>I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. >>YOU GUYS HAVE SOME PRETTY STIFF SPINES. >>THAT I’D GO WITH. >>DID SENATOR McCAIN COME TO YOU BEFORE HE CAST THE LAST VOTE AGAINST THE HEALTH CARE BILL?>>I SO REMEMBER WHEN BOTH LISA AND I WERE TALKING WITH JOHN McCAIN ON THE SENATE FLOOR AND HE POINTED TO BOTH OF US AND HE SAID YOU TWO ARE RIGHT ON THIS IS ISSUE. >>AND TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD AFTER THE VOTE, WE HAD ONE OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU’LL THINK OF YEARS DOWN THE ROAD WHERE HE SAID PEOPLE MIGHT NOT APPRECIATE THIS AS A POSITIVE, MAYBE OUR COLLEAGUES AREN’T VIEWING THIS AS A POSITIVE RIGHT NOW, BUT THE TIME WILL PROVE THAT HAVING A PAUSE, HAVING A TIME-OUT FOR US TO DO BETTER IS GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY. IT WAS A GOOD, GOOD STRONG JOHN McCAIN MESSAGE. >>I’VE SEEN CONGRESS AND CONGRESS PEOPLE WHEN THEY HAVE SOME POLITICAL FEAR OF THEIR PRESIDENT, AND HE TRIED TO INTIMIDATE YOU ON TWITTER VERY DIRECTLY SPECIFICALLY, MAYBE HAVING HIS INTERIOR SECRETARY CALL YOU. >>YOU CAN’T LIVE IN FEAR THAT THE DIRECTION YOU’RE GOING TO TAKE, THAT YOU BELIEVE IS TRULY IN YOUR STATE’S BEST INTEREST. >>DID YOU FEEL HE WAS TRYING TO INTIMIDATE YOU?>>I WILL JUST SAY THAT THE PRESIDENT AND I HAD A VERY DIRECT CALL. >>DO YOU THINK THERE’S BEEN A SHIFT AMONG YOUR REPUBLICAN COLLEAGUES AS IT RELATES TO THE PRESIDENT?>>MANY OF US ARE STILL VERY INTERESTED IN THE PRESIDENT’S AGENDA. >>FINDING THOSE AREAS WHERE WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER, PARTNERING, THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. IF THERE’S RHETORIC THAT IS OUT THERE THAT IS NOT CONSTRUCTIVE TO GOVERNING, I THINKNK